GH5 vs GH5S Car Mounted Stabilization Test ► Why the GH5S has no IBIS!
Photo Moment - March 14, 2018
Have you wondered why the GH5S doesn't have a built in stabilizer (IBIS)? Watch this video to understand the reason — and why it's a GOOD THING.
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I think the differences and reasons are pretty clear to see. It's all about how you use the tool! What do you all think?
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Thanks Joseph. I didn’t know this would be an issue until I decided to try the GH5 instead of a GoPro for my most recent car reviews. So much jitter that I couldn’t use it!
Thank you for opening my eyes to non-obvious things! I have a question.
I have both cameras (GH5 and GH5s) to shoot the flight from a small, slightly shaking aircraft with 50-200 Lumix lens (with optical stabilization). Which one should I take to get a better result..?
Thank you!
I have both cameras (GH5 and GH5s) to shoot the flight from a small, slightly shaking aircraft with 50-200 Lumix lens (with optical stabilization). Which one should I take to get a better result..?
Thank you!
doing gods work making me decide which camera to get. thank you so much.
GH5S on Ronin SC is shakier than my Mark3 handheld. this sucks I want to sell this camera
I Hate Living in Apartments That’s very odd indeed.
@@photojoseph Ronin app reports balance as Excellent. I mean I do have to learn to move better with it
I Hate Living in Apartments if the gimbal is transferring those kids of movements then it can’t be set up properly. Without a doubt. Gimbals are designed for cameras withOUT stabilization and often you need to disable stabilization or the two fight each other. The GH5S plus a gimbal should be the best solution possible.
@@photojoseph microjitters . the camera picks up every tiny slight movement
Uh, then you’re using the gimbal wrong. Sorry.
This is the only one of the other uses where, in turn the ibis is extremely useful! So I vote for GH5! Thank you so much the video!
What they actually should have done is design a way of parking the sensor. I’m sure a couple miniature servos could physically lock it in place? Great test tho. I guess if you want the best of both worlds you just need get a GH5 and GH5S 😂
Yep, same problem. The glass elements are floating. I’d guess there’s less noticeable vibration since it’s optical movement but I haven’t tested
@@photojoseph Not that I know of, but I know <6mm servos definitely exist... On a similar note, do you think using a lens with OSS switched off would still have an effect on the image? I've noticed when filming concerts the bass vibrations interfere with IBIS systems (Sony in particular) but now I've started to think about OSS lens optics floating around when OSS is switched off...
I don’t think there’s space for that. Do you know if any camera does that?
Thx for comparing... I think GH5s pretty stable though... Is your lens has Image Stabilizer in it?
@@photojoseph thx for answering! It looks pretty legit though without any IS... great review!
The car test was with the 8-18mm so non-stabilized lens
I had to get an in-car shot yesterday and rigged my GH5 + Lumix 12-35 lens with stabilization for BOTH turned ON. I had the camera mounted with two suction cups on the windshield connected to the cage via friction arms. The thing was rock solid. Got the footage off of the camera and it has those tiny micro vibrations. I didn't even consider using my GH5S. I think that I'm going to have to do some tests now b/c I need to re-shoot the footage.
Yep… the stabilizer isn’t designed for (and I don’t know that it even could be) those “micro vibrations” as you call them (good name). Sorry you had the experience but now when people complain to you that the GH5S has no IBIS, you can explain why 😬 Also when you test again don’t forget that lenses with IS are the same — floating elements that will still move when IS is off. Probably less of a problem than the sensor although I have not tested. That’d be interesting though. If you do end up testing stabilized vs non-stabilized lenses, I’d love to hear your results.
Holy freaking crap. You did a great job of showing the truth behind the lack of IBIS, but you've unintentionally done something far greater: you've shown how much more detail the GH5S captures over the GH5! If you look at the ribs and ends of the metal awning as you drive by, there's SO MUCH more detail in the edges and the reduced rolling shutter becomes obvious too. Thank you for this. Quality content, my friend.
You may be right. I believe I set the color profiles the same but that's probably about it. Color matching wasn't a goal. The video is nearly a year old so whatever firmware was current then.
@@photojoseph Possibly, but even if that's true, the captured colors are richer as well. The movement shouldn't make the colors look better. I'd guess the fat pixels are responsible. Well, that or you didn't match color styles. By the way, was this with the newer firmwares (2.4/1.2)??
Thanks man. I think it’s the elimination of the movement that’s allowing that to be sharper; not because of a difference in general sharpness on the sensor. But good catch for sure.
This is a late question. Which lens did you use for this comparison?
I see. Didn't I cover that in the video? Silly me if not.
This is the reason I purchased the GH5s
I'm shooting a doco at the moment, and the GH5 and the in body stabilisation is incredible when you hand hold it. But the GH5s picture quality is better. Not sure if it's because of the slightly larger sensor? Ps Love you work!
I own both. Love both!
You know… I think I like it better than the GH5!!
You can't argue with ibis lovers. Personally ibis is useless to me unless I do photography. I have my Sony for that. I'm inches away getting rid of the 5 and only using the 5s. 5s and Ronin are light year better than the atrocious warping effect of the gh5, let alone the obvious jitter as was shown here in an exemplary fashion. 👏👏👏👏
Cine Phile great point, but ibis is great for people shooting handheld, i personally prefer ibis handheld and glidecam than just Ronin, looks too mechanical for me, and most people over use it
Wow! GH5s is rock solid compared to the other two! Thanks for doing this.
I wonder if they could design some kind of trigger in the GH6 that mechanically locks on the sensor when IBIS is turned off. Just so those car and Gimball/steadicam people can be happy.
@@photojoseph Never say never ;)
That’ll never happen. Take a look inside the body… there’s no room for that.
Not likely. The sensor floats in a magnetic field. You’d either need physical, retractable “claws” that grab the thing, or magnets so strong they pick up nearby spare lenses ;-)
I thought the other issue is that they are actually going using the "entire" sensor size to maximize anamorphic resolution, vs. GH5 which can only utilize a portion of sensor to allow movement. (same principle as with IS lenses).
The sensor in the GH5S is slightly larger than a standard M43 sensor, yes. This is possible because IBIS was removed.
Freak'in awesome... best actual "example" showing the reason the IBIS was left out. If anyone argues otherwise after seeing this they are just arguing for argument sake! Keep up the good work!
Thanks man. There are some comment threads here doing just that. Feel free to jump in :-)
Gr8! What lens was used? Can we see a stabilized native lens footage on the GH5s as well a Dual IS on the GH5 or was the footage shoot on that setup? If you would use the IS Lock on the car body, how would it looked?
Ah sorry I didn’t mention the lens. 8-18 Panasonic Leica (non I.S. lens). GH5 with I.S. OFF is one of the three comparisons.
Hey photojoseph, were you able to compare the jitter of an ois lens vs non-ois lens?
Also did the lenses you used in this video have ois? Thank you!
Also did the lenses you used in this video have ois? Thank you!
I agree!! that's true!! nice job and good conclusion
I appreciate the video and can see the difference. Thank you.
What I don’t understand is why this is win. Would not people who are shooting in cars want stabilization and put them on gimbals? If so would this even matter? Thanks in advance.
What I don’t understand is why this is win. Would not people who are shooting in cars want stabilization and put them on gimbals? If so would this even matter? Thanks in advance.
Definitely not always. If you want to show the motion of the car, no. And this is just one example of harsh movement that you don’t want translating to the sensor.
That so why I am keeping my old G7 despite having the generally superior G9 😄.
I was wondering if you covered triggers anywhere. I am looking at the Pluto, MIOPS or similar triggers for various fun projects like lightening (or me running past...which is just as fast 😂 ha haa), and all the other cool features you can play with on them. It would be good to have a Panasonic focussed review of them.
I was wondering if you covered triggers anywhere. I am looking at the Pluto, MIOPS or similar triggers for various fun projects like lightening (or me running past...which is just as fast 😂 ha haa), and all the other cool features you can play with on them. It would be good to have a Panasonic focussed review of them.
I haven’t actually. I keep getting reminded that I should though
Guess this would apply to running or moving fast paced with a gimbal
Ok, but remember that you can turn stabilization off on the GH5 and that will be the same as the GH5S at that point on a gimbal. This video shows that GH5 stabilization off and GH5S are not the same thing in an environment like this — the very hard bounce of a car. But on a gimbal, it’s totally fine. That said if you’re going to primarily shoot on gimbals, then the GH5S is a better option so you have the dual native ISO.
PhotoJoseph I've heard someone explain that with the gimbal and a camera with stabilization they've seen more gitter. So after seeing your video the gh5s looks more stable because of its lack of in camera stabilization. I Forgot to mention the gimbal in my first statement
Crap where’s my reply? I wrote one… grrr. Ok here we go again. NO, running is absolutely NOT the same. Running is a big movement with a hard jolt at the end. Moving fast; same but less jolt. If you’re running you’ll want a proper gimbal. The IBIS in any camera is designed to stabilize hand movement, not walking or running. Think of the physics involved; the sensor only has so much space to move around in and compensate for camera movement. If you use a gimbal, I don’t think it matters much what camera you use. I haven’t done enough tests myself (but I know others have — check Max’s channel) to know if it’s better to have IBIS off or on when using a gimbal. But any difference will be negligible.
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