Quick question from the future: Can I plug in and use a second mic through the GH5's built in mini jack, at the same time as running another channel in through one of the XLR1's XLR jacks? I.e. would the camera record both and just assign one channel to the XLR (via the XLR1 adaptor) and the other to the mini jack mic?

Oversampling in any digital area has most effect when "multiple control / processing loops" are involved and a processing delay could be experienced) - In general control theory, it is good to sample inner loops at (higher rates) an order of magnitude faster than the outer loops (or control - but sampling in real time must be at a higher rate than control loop timing), so if several layers of audio (or video) processing are to be utilised- ie. layer upon layer, then, as the audible range for most of the audience is not above ?? 22kHz ?? - it would actually be really good to sample at in excess of 200kHz - but the computing overheads have been too great historically. The Nyquist limit / theory involves oversampling at at least x2 (greater than) the frequency range of an analogue signal, so 96 kHz allows for a doubling of the minimum high fidelity reproducibility limit. A processing corruption of up to 50% of the data should still allow accurate reproduction of the original sample 24 * 2 = 48 x 2 = 96

Sound like Rubbish... You're Welcome. - Involvement is the key.

I was wondering whether I should get a Panasonic DMW-XLR1 XLR Microphone Adapter or Zoom H6 for my Panasonic S1R camera to record audio from external microphones, as I was not happy with the sound quality from built-in internal microphones when I took videos like a piano recital. I think I should go for the Zoom H6, as it provides me up to six channels in place of just two on the Panasonic DMW-XLR1, then by using a standard 3.5mm (1/8 inch) to 3.5mm (1/8 inch) male to male audio cable and reduce the level of the line out signal directly through Zoom H6 audio recorder, while higher-quality audio still could be recorded to audio recorder's SD card as needed. Thanks, Edward

.. if you have a very hi-q audio recorder and mic, you might record with it and feed its ouput to the cam. then you have sync audio via cam preamps and hi-q audio external.

Thank you for explaining it to an idiot like me. You made my recording so mush easier./ Thank again.

Heeeey hey Joseph, and Everyone. I just bought the xlr1 unit about a week ago, because i'll have some outside job with the studio i'm working with, and these places demand xlr connection. Which is fine, but i'm also a hobbyst film maker wannabe, and this little box opens up some new places for me. That said i'm also totally new in the world of these kind of mics. Can someone recommend me some good mics with xlr connection? Also shotgun mics, that i can put on the cold shoe maybe? Thankies :3

True!

Another good reason to record audio separate is if you have a sweet spot for Audio but want to move around with the camera! and both if you want different audio perspectives!

your show is nothing but AMAZING!!!

Does the XLR adapter work with the Panasonic G9 ?

Hey Joseph. Sorry I can't ask a question during the show but plays at about 2.00am in the morning and I am just to lazy to get out of bed. Anyway here is the issue I am having. I am using a Liveview unit via a HDMI cable to live stream press conferences for an editorial client from my GH5. If I use the DMW-XLR1 the audio doesn't go out the HDMI port, only the video, but if I plug a cable into the side of the camera after removing the DMW-XLR1 the audio comes back and goes out the HDMI port. The interesting thing is when using the DMW-XLR1 if I hit record on the camera the audio is recorded onto the card all fine, just won't out HDMI. Any ideas? Thanks. Marty

Hi man, how are you? I have a GH5 and a Audio Technica 897 MIC... What would you recommend? a) The Panasonic DMW-XLR1? b) Zoom H5 c) Zoom H6 d) Other? (I will not use preamp)

hi joseph! is there a way to use the internall mic while the xlr unit is on? many thanks!!!

Joseph, the main advantage of having separate audio without video is more options in your final edit. E.g. I'm shooting a couple dancing ( several short shots ) and I want the complete audio recording of the live band.

rode mic pro does not work with gh5 without the XLR1 XLR Microphone Adapter ......any help ? PhotoJoseph ...Thanks

30mins to one hour show length is fine for me! (why would there be an 'edited version' then) Hearing the chat room questions have answered a lot of my own :)

Joseph, on the Yamaha mixer you do have a low cut. It's listed as a "High Pass" on the mixer (means the same thing). It's hard set at 80Hz. As I've told you before, I am an amateur audio engineer. I use the low cut/high pass all the time in live mixing environments. If I'm mixing a band, I will put a low cut on all vocals, guitars, keys and some of the drum toms. The only thing I leave in the low end is the bass Guitar and kick drum.

Why? Audio frequencies, like light, can get saturated or jammed full of different sources. When that happens into a mixer, those frequencies sound flabby and "muddy." In order to get really tight punchy bass sounds, you don't want to color those frequencies with incidentals (the extra stuff) from the other instruments that don't need to be voiced or expressed in those frequencies. If you want those low end instruments to sound tight and clean, you take out the mud from the other instruments.

For what you're doing with the xlr1, mostly a single vocal or couple of vocals, it's not going to make a huge difference either way, aside from making the vocal sound more natural or intelligible. The human voice is more in the mid range frequencies. Your intelligibility on vocals is going to come in from the 1k to 4K range. However, if you're going for that AM radio sound, where you want that really fat low end sound, you might want to leave those low frequencies in.. but again, they are incidentals.. not what you normally "hear" naturally from someone's voice. Also you will have to consider the mic you're using. If you're using a small mic, like a lav, you're probably not going to pick up much of those frequencies anyway.. if you're using a large ribbon style studio mic (like many of those radio guys do), really close to your mouth for the proximity effect, it's going to pick up those low frequencies and you can decide to cut or not.

Long story short.. I'd use the low cut when recording vocals.. turn it off if you're recording a musical performance and then you can adjust the low end audio to desired levels in post. Or just leave off if you intend to do any post audio work - you can always take things out, but hard to put back in what you didn't record!

Side note: if you have an impedance mismatch in your audio chain, you can get a low hum.. the low cut can kill this hum.

One of the major reasons for using an external audio recorder was to overcome the noise produced by the external mic input on the GH4. I believe Panasonic has made some improvements in this area on the GH5, but I have yet to test this for myself. I will continue to use my Zoom H6 so I am not restricted to using the MOV video format in order to get a 96kHz audio track. I will be able to get 96kHz audio tracks while using alternative video formats. This will offer me a broader range of video formats to choose from and greater level of functionality overall.

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are the xlr1 inputs mono? I try to figure out cabling for set up: two low-cost wireless lav with 3,5mm mono plug output into xlr1 inputs. But, are the 3-pin xlr inputs on xrl1 mono? (newbie, yes I am)

...Also "not an audio engineer" but, I've used the lo-cut filter to mitigate wind noise. I would also not advise keeping the lo cut ON; I mistakenly did this with my Zoom H4n. It was later used to record a music performance and we lost the deep bottom end. It was terrible. Long ago I couldn't afford a subwoofer for mixing audio. Later I revisited mixes I did for short films and was surprised to discover just how much goes on "down there" in them rumbl-ey parts. This is stuff you can't hear with headphones, even really good ones with good isolation - and certainly not out in the field.

Also, are we certain that when the "input switch" is set to line that it DOESN'T include "Audio Level." Seems to me that you still have to have control over the hotness of the incoming signal.

I know you're not (as many others) a great fan of the DMW-YAGH Interface Unit for the GH4 because of the external power supply you needed to get it working. However, I have used this for a couple of years now and I miss the quality of that 'Yagh' in this DMW-XLR1 adapter. Yes, you need an external power source (which for me is a V-mount battery on the rig on which the camera - most of the time - was attached to).

First: I miss the large colored audio meters. While designing this DMW-XLR1 it would have been possible to put these at the back of the DMW-XLR1. Now you have to watch this tiny little audio meter on screen with a even tinier little mark where to level your audio at. But it is what it is, there is nothing to fix here with a firmware update.

Second, and that is the most annoying thing, while using the DMW-XLR1, which might be fixed (hopefully) with a firmware update: you cannot set audiolevels differently on each channel when using only one microphone. That is really a downside of the DMW-XLR1. Which makes me wonder whether or not I will go back to external audio recording again (using the Zoom H4n).

does the xlr1 bypass the internal preamp in other Lumix cameras too? gx8?

I like the length of the show and could listen even longer if you were to go longer. All good info.

Wow, I'm happy today I found the $399/349£ Saramonic UWMIC9 kit dual wireless UHF transmitter lav with single wireless receiver that can output all mixed mono or stereo to separate one lav to left and other lav to right. I need the all mixed to mono without post production and $399 for dual wireless UHF lav saves me a bunch compared with buying two Sennheiser AVX and the XLR1 (total cost $1800?) and then not being able to merge both to both channels in mono as far as I understand from your video. From reviews (Max did one) sound quality seems good although a bit "bassy" compared with the Sennheiser, Rode or Sony. Cool, I've been dreaming about dual wireless lavs for years and finally I can get one thanks to Saramonic, 4.5x cheaper than going the dual SennheiserAVX+XLR1 route. For filming the keynotes, I'll see if hopefully the XLR to mini jack cable that's included in the kit (or any other mini jack to mini jack cable that I have) can be connected to one of the transmitters to connect to an event audio mixer machine (you know, those guys at the back of keynote rooms that are monitoring sound from the keynote speaker that goes to the event speakers) so if they let me connect my transmitter to their mixer, hopefully I can capture some good wireless audio from the presenter while I walk filming handheld around the keynote room or from a tripod positioned anywhere in the room. I used to have a $700 Sennheiser G3 and it was great until few months in I lost the transmitter with one of my interviewees somehow but all my interviews actually had poor sound quality as my voice from behind the camera was way too low as I didn't have two lavs, two receivers to a mixer on the camera. As far as I know this Saramonic dual lav into one receiver is unique, not just for the price, but because I haven't seen Sennheiser, Sony or Rode do the same, they'd all require two receivers to an on camera mixer such as XLR1, Saramonic AX-100 (which is the one someone mentioned in the chat) or the MyMyk dual mini jack that I was otherwise considering.

@PhotoJoseph is there a cage that works with the battery grip and the xlr adapter?

As requested I paste my comment from the live show here, thanks for another great show Joseph!

Comment: Have you noticed a half second "silence" in the files shot using the XLR1. So far I have this in all files shot with it. No biggie but.. wondering if it's just me. :)