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I lost another referenced Library. #1
Paul Tyrrell's picture
by Paul Tyrrell
May 18, 2012 - 1:16am

Last night we had a very quick brown out. My External HD is powered and I went to load some photos into Aperture and BAM.

My entire REFERENCED BACK - UP was GONE. Nowhere to be found ever again. I love aperture, but me thinks lightroom here I come full-time. This is getting ridiculous. I still have the library that I'm rebuilding from scratch and its entire back up was wiped in 0.5 of a second from a brown out??????????????

I've also d'loaded a trial of CS6, it looks very impressive but Abode products are NOT user friendly for a beginner/intermediate AT ALL.

I've found products like Aperture, FCP and Avid MUCH easier to approach from scratch than nearly all Adobe products. Since I've only switched back to photography in the last 12+ months after 20+ years in TV I'd give anything to have been with PS from the beginning.

I'd really appreciate your opinions on this topic.

Paul

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by PhotoJoseph
May 18, 2012 - 2:01am

Paul,

My opinion is that you have technical issues that go way beyond Aperture. It’s not Aperture’s fault if a backup goes corrupt or disappears in a brown-out. That’s a hard drive or power supply problem. This wasn’t the same hard drive that you had the problems with before, is it? (previous conversation link).

I don’t know what else to tell you. I run everything through a robust UPS at home so I don’t have to worry about brownouts or blackouts. If your area is susceptible to these things, you may want to consider the same.

-Joseph

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by John Waugh
May 19, 2012 - 7:59am

Your thinking that Lightroom would have saved you from this situation is what’s ridiculous. You needed to have a good conditioned battery assisted power supply. APC makes some very good units.
John

John Waugh, Photographic Images • Apple Certified Trainer• Sport Action Lifestyle Photography

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by Paul Tyrrell
May 19, 2012 - 9:57pm

Thanks for your replies and no I don’t think Aperture is 100% responsible for this problem. But every time I seem to have a major issue, it’s when aperture is open or launching. As I’ve stated the apple genius bar are baffled. As are the Aperture techs which I’ve spent hours on the phone with.

Joseph, no it’s not the same disk at all involved and John, I’ve had LR4 opened every time this has happened as I alway use both at the same time, for different reasons, mainly aperture though. There’s no problems with any of the LR libraries so I hope that helps you see where I’m coming from John as I keep losing libraries in my main Editor, Aperture. I HATE LR lib/cataloguing system though.

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by Paul Tyrrell
May 19, 2012 - 10:23pm

I’m thinking out loud in here as I’m totally desperate, Joseph you’ve been great but comments like this John.

“Your thinking that Lightroom would have saved you from this situation is what’s ridiculous.” Are just NOT constructive as I’ve just found all the missing pics sitting in LR4 that was open at the same time so I think it’s a combo of things.

So I’m outta here, have a nice day, PEACE everyone!!!!

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by Bob Rockefeller
May 19, 2012 - 10:53pm

Paul,

I don’t think I understand the problem. Your backup library was deleted or your active library was deleted?

Bob

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by John Waugh
May 20, 2012 - 12:14am

Please don’t quote me out of context. The constructive comment “You needed to have a good conditioned battery assisted power supply. APC makes some very good units. “was offered as constructive advice and is very important. Safe power delivery systems are as critical as backing up data.
Power fluctuations can do serious damage to CPU’s, hard drive control cards, monitors and more as you now know.
You provided a great deal more information in your rebuttal than you did in your initial point of question.

John Waugh, Photographic Images • Apple Certified Trainer• Sport Action Lifestyle Photography

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by PhotoJoseph
May 20, 2012 - 6:42am

Paul,

You said you are running Aperture and Lr at the same time, accessing the same photos? I wonder if that has something to do with the problems.

-Joseph

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by Paul Tyrrell
May 20, 2012 - 12:46pm

They both have their own referenced libraries Joseph, I import them twice to each application separately. I learnt early on that they don’t always like to share.

Robert my referenced aperture back-up library vanished.

John thank you for your advice, I’ll look into getting one

Paul

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by Bob Rockefeller
May 21, 2012 - 1:15am

Paul,

OK, so if the backup images disappeared (I’m assuming its the images, not the library database that disappeared):

Was Aperture using that set of images when they were lost, or was Aperture using the primary set of images?

If Aperture was not using the backup images, it would be hard to see how Aperture was involved in the loss.

I’m thinking of your file set up like this:

Aperture Library -> A Set of Images
Backup Aperture Library -> A Backup Set of Images
Lightroom Catalog -> A Copy of the Set of Images

True?

We should be able to figure this out without you having to go through the inconvenience of switching to Lightroom. Especially if you don’t like Lightroom all that much.

Bob

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