IT’S OFFICIAL!! 😆LUMIX S1H is getting ProRes RAW!
Photo Moment - September 13, 2019
You heard it here first… the LUMIX S1H is getting ProRes RAW in early 2020!! Watch here to learn more.
Pretty exciting, huh folks? When they said “raw” at the launch, did you think it’d be nearly 6K RAW?!
Any thoughts on how the 4K raw is going to be implemented? I have the z6 right now and I’m thinking of switching and upgrading to the S1h because I’m fairly salty about the pixel binning on the Z6 along with a couple of other things. But if the S1h does the same for 4K raw, I may consider another option. I know it still offers the full 5.9 raw, so that’s still very nice. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Just few days until "EARLY 2020" will become irrelevant and more MID 2020...
@@photojoseph Based on ATOMOS history, i might win the lottery until they deliver.
I think "mid" is more like summer.
I updated the ninja v and the option for raw is there when connected to s1h , but the record button is greyed out on the monitor. Have tried a couple different ssd’s and it’s always greyed out, also noticed on the Atomos Supported site most ssd’s have a red dot for raw, meaning not supported. Has anyone found a solution for shooting pro res raw on the S1H with the ninja V?
It'll come. I'm an Ambassador for Panasonic; it's definitely coming.
PhotoJoseph 😭😭😭😭😭 thanks for solving the mystery, have only found articles and videos from September announcing it was coming, but wondered why I hadn’t seen any about people shooting with it. Do you think it was a false promise or will it eventually come?
Raw support on the S1H hasn’t shipped yet, my friend
Where did you get the shelving from Joseph? I'm looking for something like that for my backdrop
Walmart online — go figure https://geni.us/vrk8srf
Apple, Panasonic and Atomos !
Benefits
With ProRes RAW, you can import, edit, and grade video with RAW data straight from your camera sensor — without slowing down your edit. ProRes RAW also provides maximum flexibility for adjusting the look of your video while extending brightness and shadows.
Benefits
With ProRes RAW, you can import, edit, and grade video with RAW data straight from your camera sensor — without slowing down your edit. ProRes RAW also provides maximum flexibility for adjusting the look of your video while extending brightness and shadows.
@@photojoseph Software dictates hardware, where would be be without software. It’s like a body without a brain ! No mater what the camera does, the edit is software, the out puts is software, transmissions more software, codec’s are at work. More software ! Editing and cutting film is almost dead, then they use software to distribute it. But we do have an IMAX crew here in town and it might be the last in the world. There might be a film projector some where. There is software in the camera’s just to make it work ! AVCHD Is all but dead from Sony, I never use it ! Apple has done it homework ! You don’t have to have the fastest computer if you have the best software and file format ! Apple will sell the new cheese grader computer and I asked for the iMac Pro, it edits 8k video. Apple know what I said 30 years ago, still the same today !
I do not understand this statement.
@@photojoseph as I worked and taught in Silicon Valley, SF and Marin, Software dictates hardware. There no change.
I have the Lumix S1H if I buy the Atomos ninja V will record raw video? or I have to wait for an updated firmware? thanks for all your help
Just like the video says, an update is coming early this year.
Hi Josephs. Thanks for information. I would like to ask something. I want to shot , 5.9K, 10Bit, ProPres,24p and 2:1 ratio. I mean like Red Dragon. But ı think we can't choose ratio with Atomos or S1H. What should ı do for shot 2:1 or 2:35:1 ? Should ı shot at 16:9 with reference black lines on monitor ?
Correct. You don't crop in camera, but crop in post. Use the reference lines on the monitor for framing, but having the extra pixels on the top and bottom give you room to move in post. That's known as "open gate", which really refers to shooting full frame 35mm in 3:2 aspect ratio and having a ton of room to reframe, but I suppose you can use the term for any larger-than-needed shot if you don't want to be super old-school technically accurate about it ;-)
one question , 10bit or 12 bit ?
Please tell me this will be 12-bit like the Sigma FP!?
Heroa Official I’m not sure what else I can tell you… it’s all in the previous comment.
@@photojoseph thanks for the reply. Yes, I was referring to bit depth. Nikon claims their cameras will have 12 bit raw. I'm hoping the S1H will as well. What are your thoughts?
Are you talking dynamic range? 14 stops. Internal recording bit depth? 10-bit. The FP does CineDNG at 12-bit; S1H will do ProRes RAW. Bit depth not announced but ProRes supports 12-bit.
Hi @photojoseph I’ve been seeing conflicting facts here in YouTube about the v gamut & color science being different in the S1H and S1 but others say it’s exactly the same...can you confirm. I’m looking into one of the two cameras but want to make the right choice with all the right facts. Love you your content and thanks.
PhotoJoseph much appreciated. 🙏
As far as I know they are the same but let me confirm.
Any news if it's coming to the S1?
PhotoJoseph thanks for getting back
No. The S1H is the pro level video camera. This is a very pro feature.
Will there be any ProRes RAW for the Shogun Inferno ?
Only Ninja V was announced. It’s their newest recorder so maybe it has something in it the older ones don’t have. You’ll have to ask Atomos, or just wait to see if other recorders are announced.
Will that be the full 3:2 sensor area in 5.9k, or only in 16:9 aspect ratio? As Atomos mentioned full frame in their press release I'm assuming they mean 3:2
Alpicat I don’t know where the limitation is; if it’s the camera, the transfer protocol, or the Atomos. I’d actually guess the Atomos. It isn’t designed to capture 3:2 format; only 16:9 or C4K, as far as I know. But, that’s a guess!
@@photojoseph that's a real shame but understandable.
No… full frame sensor for 5.9k 16:9 means it’s the full width but not the full height.
are those the only raw settings or everything below that also. like dci 4k 24 and 5.9k 24? thank you joe
We can assume everything below will be available in RAW but until I have one in my hands it’s all speculation.
Will it be 10 or 12-bit RAW? I would guess 10-bit since that is what the EVA1 does. Still .. interesting.
@@photojoseph i would love that
Read the thread here started by Zsolt. We don't _know_, but we can make a pretty good assumption that it'll be 12-bit.
I suppose this won’t be coming to the S1...😔
PhotoJoseph I already knew 😢
No, this is a high end pro video feature if I ever saw one!
Now we just need ProRes RAW support in Premiere Pro CC. What is Panasonic doing for us Windows users?
LuxShots Films Got it… don’t think that was necessary, given the article linked above! It’s super exciting to see ProRes RAW being adopted all over the place now.
@@photojoseph I understand who owns what. I was just hoping Panasonic could use their relationship with Apple/Adobe to expedite support for the format to increase adoption.
First off, it's not a Panasonic thing… ProRes RAW is an Apple technology. Second, there is some very recent very good news here: http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/2166-six-third-party-companies-announce-support-for-prores-raw (Premiere is mentioned there… I'll let you read it!)
Is Prores raw only compatible with Final Cut X
Is it possible to capture 4K 60p 10bit or prores raw via atomos ninja v with s35 APS-C crop for my Sigma 18-35 and 50-100? If yes this will be a smooth transition from my GH5 speedboosted to S1H full frame
@@photojoseph ohh yeah!!! Time for saving then 😁😁😁😁
Hi Joseph, It would be great to know a few details if it's possible. As I know the HDMI output is limited to 4k 10bit. Does this means, we can forget the 6k recording externally? On the other hand, if the output of the HDMI is 10bit, it means we don't get any advantage by the ProRes 12bit container, neither the 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, if the HDMI outputs only 4:2:2. Your feedbacks are welcome!
I’ve been thinking a bit more about this… keep in mind I don’t KNOW anything more than what’s in the press release and in turn my video, but here are some assumptions. We know the sensors in these cinema cameras are 422 because all bayer sensors are 422 (including the Black Magic 6K), and the camera can record 422 internally. We know it’s a 14-bit/12-bit sensor, because of the still photo specs (14bit raw for mechanical shutter, 12bit for electronic). We know that HDMI is not just video; it’s also data, because “HDMI with Ethernet” cables exist, which means while HDMI may be limited to 4K _video_, the sensor creates data, not video, so the conversion from data to video could happen later in the pipeline (i.e. in the Atomos). We know the camera will output 5.9K29.97 because that’s what the release has told us. Put all that together, and we can probably safely assume that we’ll get a 12-bit 422 RAW file, like the Pocket 6K delivers. Sound logical?
@@mikedoundoulakis850 According to the Nikon Z6 ProRes Raw option, I've read the following: This feature will require an additional internal upgrade that will need to be performed at a local Nikon service center, which will incur a service charge. Maybe they change the HDMI 2.0 output to the 2.1? I do think the SH1 is already will be equipped with the 2.1 for this reason.
@@photojoseph As i can understand 4K 60p data rates are close to 5.9K 30p so thats why this is possible. They promote Hdmi 2.0 as 4K 60p capable port but actually is just a data transfer port that can handle 4K 60p so why not to handle 5.9K 30p 😉. I wish S1H to have Hdmi 2.1 for future proof for 6K 60p or 4K 120p or 1080 300p+. But the good news that i believe they keep in secret is the possibility of capturing 1080p or 2K of 120p or 240p Prores Raw.
@@photojoseph Indeed! Please update, if there is any additional info ;)
All I know is what is in the press release, which is what I shared here. Everyone thought that HDMI was limited to 4K, but somehow they’ve worked around that. You’re getting 5.9K external ProRes RAW recording. Pretty friggin’ great.
What?.... What?.... That's awesome! Thanks for the update!
I want this camera pretty vad
Exciting news. I wish we could get this for the GH5/GH5s.
Joe Marano LOL, them’s fightin’ words!! 😂
@@photojoseph I would prefer a real car like a Porsche lol
Yeah. Look forward to you testing the pro res
Me too! But I also wish there was a Tesla in my driveway… 🤷🏼♂️😁 hehe
Wow. This will be good. One to point out to the naysayers who were saying it would, if it could be done, it would be limited to 4K.
Yep. This is a really big deal.
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