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How to Bring LIVE Callers on Your LIVE Show!

Photo Moment - September 30, 2021

If you've ever wanted to bring a live caller, from Zoom for example, into your LIVE show, using your ATEM Mini , then this ATEM (mini) Tip will explain exactly how to do it!

Chapters

(see video for navigation)

  1. What hardware you'll need
  2. Configuring the hardware
  3. Configuring Zoom
  4. Creating SuperSource layouts for Zoom caller
  5. Configuring audio monitoring (super important!)
  6. Monitoring audio with na ATEM Mini Pro (not Extreme)
  7. Sending clean video (just you; not Program!) to Zoom
  8. No SuperSource? A better layout on ATEM Mini Pro (not Extreme)

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What this tip is about…

Using your “real” camera for a zoom call with an ATEM Mini is easy — just plug the camera into the ATEM, and the ATEM into your computer! But what if you want to bring that live caller… on a live show? That's what this tip is all about. Outlining every step, including how to wire it, how to setup the computer, how to set up zoom, where to position the windows, how to build a super source or PiP (Picture in Picture) to make it look good… and most importantly, how to monitor the audio!!

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Great video, question would this work the same way if i add the rodecaster pro 2 as mics for podcast and a guest over zoom?
Don’t see why not
Hi Joseph! Excellent video. You could add a video on this subject in case of simultaneous youtube streaming... The problem of audio latency is certainly more complex (Zoom+ youtube)
Understood😊
@78youri simultaneously to what? I really don’t understand. If you mean the host and guests on the show shouldn’t watch on YouTube … well, no. They’re busy hosting and guesting. And yes there’s a delay to going live. But anyone watching the live show can’t see that, so the delay doesn’t matter.
you are right. we just have to ask people not to watch simultaneously on youtube... :-)@@photojoseph
problem of loopback?@@photojoseph
How does streaming it make it more complex? The stream happens at the end of the chain; everything in the ATEM program is streamed.
Wait a moment: Real time audio? Audio is always real time, video stream is delayed. And for this you need to delay audio.
Not sure which part of the video you’re referring to. There’s a delay in Skype, albeit modest, of both audio and video. But I don’t think that’s what you’re referring to?
I'm excited to try with my ZOOM classes on my ATEM Mini. Thanks for the video Joseph!
but for some reason when I connect to my laptop HDMI I see too many small window why?
I don’t understand. I need a LOT more information to help.
Great video! Can I use an Elgato CamLink (4K) instead of the Flint D4P? Thanks!
Should work
How do you deal with message pop-ups on Zoom? We often have up to 5 presenters on Zoom and despite telling them not to use it, or select a specific person to message, they often forget/ignore
I believe if you have the chat window open you won’t see pop-ups.
Hi, can you suggest a cheaper alternative to Flint D4P? Many Thanks!
There are many HDMI to USB “capture cards” on Amazon
How do you set up same thing you showed here but this time using the ATEM 2M/E Constellation HD.
Nothing changes
I’ve been watching tutorials on how to achieve this type of set up with various different hardware and software. This tutorial is by far the clearest, most concise and the most successful I’ve followed.
Toward the end of the video you talked about using a macro to split the 2 zoom callers. What process did you use after pinning each caller? Thank you for any help.
Thank you for the quick response. After you pin the callers in Zoom, I am not sure what to pick to create the macro to get the 2 callers separated. In the video you said to cut them up into 2 seperate inputs.I do know how to create macros (thanks to your YouTube videos) thank you again
Supersource. Build a macro to recall the settings.
Very valuable. Exactly what I was looking for, from beginning to end. Every aspect of this AV routing was covered, including equipment. Thanks.
Awesome, glad you found it!
Hey sir how to makes macros many layout ? Amd how to switch ?
I have many videos on making macros. Search YouTube for “PhotoJoseph ATEM macros”
Get to the point already
it's an complex setup, not a youtube short
Hi Joseph.
Thanks for this wonderful video you have shared.
On items needed, you have mentioned "Blackmagic Web Presenter HD", but you don't explain where that is used and is it really needed?
You see, I am trying to do exactly what you are showing here. A host and two zoom callers who will be in the program. But I just can't get the configuration right. Is it possible for you to explain how I can do that.
@@photojoseph Thank you so much. I finally managed to do it. Thanks again.
I'd ask you to watch the video again… what you're asking is covered in here. If you still can't get it set up, you can book some time with me at PhotoJoseph.com/1to1 — I can't outline a complete setup diagram in a YT comment, sorry.
@@photojoseph Thank you for your reply.
I guess I didn't explain myself properly.
What I am trying to do is recording a live program with a host in studio, and two virtual guests who are connected via Zoom.
My equipments are: 2 Blackmagick Studio 4K Pro cameras, 1 ATEM Mini Extreme ISO, 1 ATEM Mini Pro, 1 HyperDeck Studio HD Mini, 1 Hyperdeck Studio HD Plus.
So with the equipment that I have, how can I get the two guests communicating with the host.
Or is it possible to do a one on one facetime call?
I don’t recall where the web presenter was mentioned but I think I pretty clearly outlined how to do what I did. If you have a specific question please ask it, but asking me to explain how to do what this video is all about doing doesn’t help me to help you.
I keep getting that infinite loop
So how can we use this format to build a “Manningcast” style show?
Sporting event on one part of the screen with the host and guest on a smaller part of the screen.
You want to build a Picture in Picture https://youtu.be/XQKvAdzr1Yc
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Thanks for this video! Seeing this after setting up something similar with the ATEM Mini Pro, no Extreme. We have a fairly sophisticated 3 camera + 3 computer livestream for a church youth group weekly and devised our own way to set this up without the Extreme. Complicated, but it works great for our needs.

Basically, one of our manned cameras comes into the booth as HDMI, hits a splitter, one HDMI goes into the ATEM as Cam 1 so we can use it as normal. The other HDMI goes into a USB converter and into the laptop running Zoom. The laptop then outputs an HDMI which goes into our second ATEM (Just an ATEM Mini) this secondary ATEM inputs all three computers and outputs as one HDMI into our Mini Pro.

I have PIP configured with Macros activated through a Streamdeck via Companion for effective use during our livestream, with one macro set to our guest full screen with our host in PIP, and one vice versa, giving me the option to choose based either on who is talking, or for whatever reason I wish.

The complicated part is our audio. Audio sent to our guest comes from a soundboard (A&H SQ6) and includes any of our many sources so our guest can hear everything going on in the room. However, audio from the zoom also goes into the soundboard so that our guest can be heard in the room speakers and on the livestream. This is accomplished through multiple Aux outputs on the soundboard. One just for the ATEM running livestream, and one for Zoom, in addition to a couple others. The Aux output specifically for Zoom allows us to send the caller anything and everything we want from our soundboard, except their own audio. Now after watching this video I know zoom apparently has that part handled. But it still does what we need, and allows me to have a microphone in the booth which only goes to the zoom, for speaking with our guest before they are live for anyone else, and to cue them.

If anyone is still with me at this point feel free to chime in questions or suggestions, I’m always looking for ways to improve! Maybe this can even help someone else.
Could you run the output of the camera through an HDMI splitter and into the Flint? Also, I have an Intensity Shuttle, which has HDMI through. I suspect that would serve the same purpose without the Extreme or a splitter.
ATEMs are finicky with splitters. Some work, some don't, and some work only some of the time.
could you monitor the audio from the program out of the Atem mini either through the monitor or from an HDMI extractor $15 ?
Thanks, great job!!! So as of today would you know of another way to live stream Zoom Conferencing with all participants using a streaming device, without going to the cost of the Extreme. I don't like these apps or plugins that touch my Windows audio, like the virtual audio cables or others. It's not the cost, but the kludge that I don't want. I prefer a streaming device, but I choke on the price of the Extreme. Maybe there is no other solution. Thanks again!!!
@@photojoseph I know it's built in.. I wanted to do it another way, but I figured it out. Thanks for kindly responding.
You just want to put a zoom call on YouTube/Facebook? Zoom has that capability built in. What am I missing?
😂😂😂😂😂 Beddy. Sorry I had to do it.
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While sending clean feed and not program to zoom , how do you get the multi view and also a program out for the in-house audience and livrestream with web presenter and record the program feed with this setup ?
Couldnt you just connect another webcam to the laptop instead of using the Flint 4DP solution? Feels like a much chesper and simpler solution.

Thank you for the great content!!!
If a webcam is good enough, yes. But this method allows your guest to see the real camera, looking in their eyes, etc.
Good to know that the Zoom's internal software deals with the zoom speaker's echo/feedback. I thought for sure you were going to have to split the audio out of HDMI feed to prevent that. That little gem really makes the setup much easier. Thanks so much.
@@photojoseph So why people setting up mix minus through audio consoles in their setups? if Zoom works it better?
I was wondering how I would tackle this challenge, and this makes it possible 😃
it surprised me, to be honest. But I've tested in many scenarios and it works!
Great video ! Very helpful 😊
Any way to do this with Skype, which probably doesn't have as good a feedback rejection as Zoom?
@@photojoseph Ok, that makes sense. Are you referring to audio routing software of the Atem? Is that an option?
@@SunriseWaterMedia in some ways Skype is better. Better image quality. Don’t send the guest program audio if they get a delay. Use the routing software and only send them your mic.
@@photojoseph Thanks, but will the Skype guest hear themselves delayed, even with headphones? I'm not sure if Skype is as good as Zoom.
Of course; same workflow. But as you pointed out, you may need headphones.
10:17 Betty looks scary 😜
But what if there are also other audiences on Zoom as well. Here is the issue, when 1 of the guest speaker talks, Zoom will spotlight him on the other audiences screen.

And if I were to spotlight myself, i would have to lose the pins created on Aaron and the Manequin. Is there a way to work around this?
What your call-in guests sees is up to them, but it has no effect on your setup. If the pin or don’t pin, see a self view or not, is up to them and irrelevant to you. And what the audience sees is only what you send them, not zoom.
HELP!

This is basically what I needed to broadcast.. Zoom Seminar and make layouts out of the Zoom's participants video...

BUT... I'm still confused what I should purchase. ATEM Mini Extreme or ATEM Mini Extreme ISO?? 🤔
@@photojoseph Cool! Hope to hear from you very soon.. I'm booking a 1-1 consultation... :)
The ISO means you have a recording of every input for re-editing later. Very convenient
Fantastic training video, thank you! Are you familiar with Streamyard? Would you happen to know if we swap out Zoom Conferencing for Streamyard if this setup and configuration would work much the same?
It should work the same, yeah. The basics apply to any video conferencing app. The hugest challenge is if you do multiple callers and their positions on screen aren’t consistent.
Oh and... I forgot to give a well earned nod to Betty and Aaron. 😊
Life is so much richer with you imparting such great knowledge. Amazing info.
Aww shucks ☺️
Your demos are always so awesome and clear, especially whenever you share your Mac desktop. How do you get that so sharp? I do a lot of Zoom calls and when I share my desktop via the ATEM, the text and icons are little blurry. I have to resort to sharing my screen from within Zoom. Any suggestions?
That’s because through zoom, sharing your screen through the ATEM means that it’s no different than a webcam, which zoom defaults to a very low resolution. You can actually now ask zoom (via email tech support) to grant you 720p but that’s still lower than the 1080p you’re expecting. In these videos I capture my screen using Screenflow, but that doesn’t help for a live situation.
Took me a sec to realize that wasn't a real person "Betty".
Haha
Are you for hire?
Buckle your seatbelt as I'm going to be hitting your channel hard over the next few weeks.

I've been "hired" to do a livestream for a local non-profit (raising money to help find a cure for childhood cancers). I did it last year too, but that was with a bunch of webcams and while "good"... Not what it could have been, so... I've bought a couple Canon cameras and looking to buy the Atem Extreme ISO.
Awesome and welcome! FYI if you join the channel as a member you will have access to a private Discord server which could be a good place to ask questions, and of course you’ll be helping support the channel! Details at https://YouTube.com/PhotoJoseph/join — also if you really need help, you can book 1:1 sessions with me http://www.photojoseph.com/1to1
Joseph, such a great video. I am learning my ATEM extreme ISO and use zoom with work and OBS. Hope you are reading comments - QUESTION - Do you have specific SuperSource overlay tutorials? I need to use super source with 2-3 people on zoom and me on the BMPCC 6K and ATEM. This would be if I did a panel conversation for an internal meeting/conference. Don't need to stream it out. This would keep OBS/eCamm out of things and really simplify my workflow for this use case.
Thanks for watching. I don’t have a specific supersource video and this one probably covers it the most. What specifically do you need help doing? FYI if you join the channel as a member you will have access to a private Discord server which could be a good place to ask questions, and of course you’ll be helping support the channel! Details at https://YouTube.com/PhotoJoseph/join
Great content - as always 🙂Thank you very much
Once again thank you very much, your videos are really helpful
Thanks this was very helpful, I will need to fiddle around with it to try it. We used to have a lot of guests on our live stream over the lockdown when we were using OBS but I bought an Atem mini pro to upgrade the stream but couldn;t work out how to get them on. We did 500 consecutive daily live streams before dropping down to just 3 a week.
@@jiveaces this is getting way too detailed to cover here, mate. FYI if you join the channel as a member you will have access to a private Discord server which could be a good place to ask questions, and of course you’ll be helping support the channel! Details at https://YouTube.com/PhotoJoseph/join
@@photojoseph I just tried this all out and the caller does actually hear themself.
@@jiveaces got it — well if you’re missing features like the call-in, you could use OBS just for that, feeding the program out of a computer into the ATEM. Let the ATEM handle encoding and graphics overlays. Just use OBS for the features you don’t have in the ATEM.
@@photojoseph OK thanks but how and why would I do this? I had nothing but problems with OBS, mainly the encoding freezing up all the time (despite many settings changes form various tutorials), it was so unreliable, that's why I switched to the hardware encoder in the Atem Mini Pro.
You can still integrate OBS with the ATEM. No need to give up features you had before.
WOW - I like that, however I'm a beginner and need some help...!
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@@photojoseph Are you for hired?
This is definitely not a beginner setup but all the info you need is here!
Excellent video and you’re the first To address this topic in any accessible detail IMHO. I’ve been looking for help on this since I picked up an Atem Mini.

My personal use case is to bring up to 3 guests in via Zoom and get the benefit of customised layouts rather than the default Zoom view. I also want to bring in pre recorded video and some desktop sharing. Not much of a wish list right 😉

I’m now in the early stages of working with Extreme ISO and Roadcaster Pro.

From what I understand using so called Zoom drones might be the way to go i.e. dedicated laptops with a pinned video for each caller coming in on one of the Atems inputs? The other challenge being audio…

Also for bringing the video back in would something like an Elgato Cam Link 4K work?

Your video has certainly got me further along on my understanding of what could be possible.

Thank you and look forward to more content on this if possible please.
You’re on the right track. Dedicated computers for each caller is the best way to handle it. They don’t gave to be special — just enough to run Zoom. Then manage each computer through screen sharing software like Jump. A cheap windows NUC, or apparently zoom runs on Linux, so maybe that’s an option too?
Great video. Question: I have multiple hosts in the same room and we are bringing one guest through Zoom. I use a sound transmitter from the headphone jack on the atem to individual receivers that each of my host have. When there is not guest, it works great because they can hear each other speak however, when I bring the zoom guest in, I can only turn on the zoom guest sound on and they lose the option of hearing each other speak. Not sure if this clear but any solution?
@@photojoseph I use a RodeCaster Pro but it is quite challenging because I have to bring the sound of the Zoom caller in the room for the audience to listen and I also have to mix it into the streaming for the live audience. Not sure if I can manage.
You’ll likely need to use a hardware mixer. Route everyone’s audio into the hardware and route from there. Audio gets quite complicated in situations like that.
I can not confirm your statement about audio delay directly on camera or input of the ATEM. As i notices with the ATEM Minis and also TVS Models when audio comes directly over camera attached microphones you normally will get no delay because it comes over the same way gets same processing. When using HDMI on the ATEM Minis and feed Audio into the inputs, there is a bigger delay because the signal processing via HDMI needs some time and is mostly some frames delayed. This is why BMD brought an internal delay to audio setting of Input 1&2, so you can correct the delay until 8 frames to match the video.
@@photojoseph OK i got it - sorry i miss understood what you explaining with "delayed from realtime". Of course the whole signal over camera is delayed from realtime, but it's in sync. When Audio comes over separate inputs it is out of sync to the video - but you are right - it's not delayed to what's outside the ATEM going on. That's a bit confusing.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying… you are confirming what I've said in this video. If the audio comes WITH the video, then it's in sync, but delayed from realtime. If the audio comes in SEPARATELY from the video, then the audio will be realtime, but the video is delayed, and therefore they are not in sync.
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Do you have a good way to building macros
I have MANY video on macros. Search youtube for “PhotoJoseph ATEM macros”
We can monitor audio from ATEM MINI (pro) using a headphone output of multi view monitor via hdmi or using hdmi audio extractor
Correct. But you don’t get the “solo” option without the Extreme
Awesome video, Joseph! Thanks so much! – Didn‘t quite get, though, what you said around 16:45 regarding the splitting of the Zoom feed that shows two guests into two HDMI inputs on the ATEM. Could you elaborate a bit here? 😳
@@tvpierce1 if you set it up as I did, then yes. You’re scaling up an image that’s basically ¼ of the screen. If you want better quality then you need a dedicated display for each guest.
@@photojoseph I had the same question as @Stefan Wolfrum ... thanks for elaborating. Just to confirm, so in order to take Aaron or Betty full screen, they need to be enlarged significantly beyond 100%?
Thanks Stefan, and glad I could help!
@@photojoseph Ohhh! I see, nice! I‘m new to the ATEM Mini Extreme & Super Source (coming from an ATEM Mini Pro) and was under the impression that each of the max. 4 boxes has to have a different input source! 🤦‍♂️ 😂 Thanks so much for taking the time & answering!! Much appreciated! Really like your channel! 👍👍
It's a single HDMI input with both guests side by side (the two guests pinned in zoom), then I'm cropping out guest 1 and guest 2 in two different supersource "sources" (both looking at the same input, but cropping different pieces of it), then arranging those in whatever layout you want.
Fantastic tutorial. Learned a ton.
awesome, thanks!
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